DemocraZy
I think passerby is just trying to involve youngsters like us to think beyond just writing about issues. Personally that is what I believe in as well. We write about our gripes with government and society and get applauses and kudos from fellow bloggers and we respond to it in a funny way to keep the traffic going. I appreciate his/her efforts to invoke a sort of responsibility in each and every one of us, much like a grassroots effort. We often point out the shortfalls and never seem to go forward to find a solution.
Democracy is often quoted as "Of the people, By the people & For the people". We, the people, often think that as a responsible citizen we vote for a responsible candidate (of the people) and our job is done. We then expect the government to fix all our gripes (for the people). It is a mis-interpretation of democracy. We often forget the "by the people" part. We carry as much responsibility as the government we put in power.
We say the government doesn't provide us good roads and as we say that we throw our garbage on the street. We complain that the government is increasing the mass transit frequency while we wait for a bus or a train while at the same time we disregard the law and travel ticketless to prove a point (I dont know to whom). We complain that there is no water and no sanitation in the cities and at the same time we allow multiplexes to come up in our neighbourhood. Now you may argue that the govt officials sanctions to build those by taking bribes. But in fact it is us who buy those flats and create a demand that forces the builders to supply and creates corruption in the system. Why can't we move outside a city and build a home?
We keep living in $h!t and keep complaining but we never even try to use phenyl and clean it up ourselves. We depend on the government to do the same. We are capable of doing smaller things in our control and we should let the government handle the things beyond our abilities (like defense, international relations, trade and health to name a few). How many of us stop at the red signal and wait till it turns green without pushing the signal. How many of us yield to emergency vehicles? How many of us are ready to appear in a court or pay a fine when violating traffic instead of bribing the officer? How many of us are ready to assist accident victims to hospitals? How many of us are willing to take a detour near a school campus? How many of us obey "no horns" signs near hospitals and schools? These things don't need the government to intervene. These things need self-discipline. If only we can be a little more responsible for our own actions, we won't have to spend more time complaining and living in $h!t. Let us make an effort.
73 comments:
soo what have you done to satisfy "by the people" part???
pistu:
What is your point? Do you mean to say that you will do stuff only when someone else does it? I am sorry to say this but that is irresponsibility to the core and that is the mentality most of us have.
To answer your lame (sorry again) question - I don't preach what I don't practice.
I dont see where my comment says that I will do only after u do. To add to your lame answer, u say ppl should do this and do that nowhere in the blog u say what you did. some people dont buy tkts coz they are too poor to buy one.. mulitplexes help to avoid congestion. do u know which way to pull over if a emergency vehicle is behind u in India? ppl pay the traffic cop not coz they dont want to pay the fine, but to avoid the traffic cop taking ur bike to the station and u have to walk to the station for 2 days to get it back? ppl assist accident victims more than you think, even during my last trip I helped some ppl to get a victim in a auto? it took only two mins for accident victim to get into a auto. we dont have a stop sign back home like we do here..just too many blind spots around a school or hospital for that matter. if u aint gonna honk u gonna end up in a accident.. I think I would rather honk than die. I dont think people out there live in shit.. even though the quote "ellarum sakadai nu sollaringa erangi arum clean matingiranga" sounds good it aint gonna happen with our population. I agree with u that we need to be more responsible and have more self discipline but ppl are already doing it and again we dont live in shit.
neways I will stop dont want to make my comment look like a blog :)
Of the people, by the people and for the people does not always mean and include the "same set of people".
A patient can not get cured for an ailment by treating himself, the patient needs a doctor and a hospital. Similarly, the actions we do, can not satisfy the criteria "of the people, by the people and for the people". I feel each of these entities have to be governed by a different set of people.
A small change of attitude by one person to clean using phenyl might change only his house, but he is expected to walk on a highway that is filled with filth. And no one can expect him to carry phenyl everywhere he goes.
But the same change can not be expected and enforced on everyone.
Sriram:
True that things can be interpreted as one favors to do so. There is a difference between "cleaning up" and "not dirtying". I am talking about the latter.
Just to clarify, nobody is enforcing anything on anyone. I am talking about self-discipline and responsibility here if you missed the point.
pistu:
glad you are already doing some of these, which is what I am requesting everyone that complain to do. If you dont clean up your mess, don't blame another person for that. Being ignorant and saying all is well (refering to your comment that we don't live in $h!t). All is not well until we make them so. My point is not if you or I am doing something about it. It is just that if you complain, don't make others liable - you are as responsible as the other person.
Maybe we dont follow rules or keep our streets clean but dont think I will ever call living in my country as shit.. its not ignorant, it is just something you got to deal with hugely populated country. have you ever noticed how ppl in India dont complain and only the NRI's do?? I think we r jus comparing apples n oranges. how many ppl d.. never mind, dont want to start a argument.
That statement is not a counter-argument, it is an extension to the previous paragraph. i.e. I did not say that you are asking everyone to change, but I said that I can not ask everyone to change.
pistu:
"Maybe we don't follow rules...".
Huh - what an oxymoron.
have you ever noticed how ppl in India dont complain and only the NRI's do?? I think we r jus comparing apples n oranges. how many ppl d..
Huh - again! Ignorance does seem to be a bliss after all.
I can comment back on it but jus dont want to...
pistu:
'I can comment back on it but jus dont want to..."
but you already did - oxymoron again :)
"it" refers to your response to my comments.
Whats ur point? I dont find any great differnce btwen u and who r always unhappy with the government....
I am jus trying 2 understnd ur point...
Infact we shud appreciate PPL who always complaint abt the country or abt the government..Becasue thts the 1st step in makign things better.. I wud rather see it in a way tht Finding fault is the 1st step which wud b folowed by doing someting for the people/country
Let me put it this way,
1.What exactly do u expect others 2 do?
2. What hav u done apart frm finding faults on ppl who find faults? :)
Also, findin fault on an indivudul may b wrong but i dont find anyting wrong complaing abt govt. becoz it is nt jus a person but a group of ppl who r their 2 serve the citzens...
ponnarasi:
wow. what a response! You are so upset that someone is finding fault about you. Imagine the reaction that the government and other entities upon which find fault. I agree that finding fault is the first step. I am with you there. But what are the second and third and fourth steps? Why do we not go on to work towards all those steps but are so upset when someone tells to move beyond first step.
"Also, findin fault on an indivudul may b wrong but i dont find anyting wrong complaing abt govt. becoz it is nt jus a person but a group of ppl who r their 2 serve the citzens..."
This argument of yours is so naive that no point can be made to prove otherwise. It says that once you elect a government, your responsibility is done. That is just unfortunate. We must work together with the government to make things happen. If you say you will continue to throw garbage on streets and expect someone to clean, then that is just rude. If you read my blog carefully, I have told what could be done by us in the form of questions. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Be direct! Answer 2 the point rather than escaping by saying its there in ur blog :)
1.What exactly do u expect others 2 do?
2. What hav u done apart frm finding faults on ppl who find faults? :)
1st questn is becoz ppl hardly know wt 2 do!
And bytheway my guess tht u r hitting my page is rite :)) Wow! :P
If you insist on knowing what specifically people should do, then here goes:
1.What exactly do u expect others 2 do?
Don't just complain. Show something in action.
2. What hav u done apart frm finding faults on ppl who find faults? :)
For one thing, I don't throw my garbage on the street. For another, I don't push a red light when the timer nears 5 seconds and I don't mind people honking at me when I do the same. For yet another, I don't ride on trains without getting a ticket. :P
And bytheway my guess tht u r hitting my page is rite :)) Wow! :P
I have no idea what you mean by that :) If you still think I am "Passerby", I can't help it.
Sorry folks. I was out of town. My thanks to Driver for a wonderful post. I am sure he/she as taken the first step, unlike others.
PISTU:
I think in his/her frustration for not being able to see a "beautiful" india the term $h!t is used.
So don't take it to heart!!!! I appreciate your feelings as well. May be the frustration has made him/her use the word.
At least he/she is trying to not add the so called $h!t to it.
Driver:
Just a word of caution. May be you are doing the small things by stopping on the red light (Careful to stand on the left most, otherwise you might be run over by a speeding $h!t :-)) Good you dont throuw garbage.
But these are BASIC courtesy to your brothers and sisters.
But it is so unfortunate that our brothers and sisters want to start arguing on these very basic courteous acts. Why cant we just say YES DRIVER!! YOU ARE RIGHT. WE SHOULD OBEY TRAFFIC RULES AND NOT THROW GARBAGE AROUND!!!
Why cant we just say that. A simple word. YES WE CAN DO IT!!!! This is precisely what I was trying to tell you young indians (some of you who have the GOOD FORTUNE to live in so called "FIRST WORLD" country and have the LUXURY to BLAME INDIA SITTING FROM THERE).
SELF-DISCIPLINE: That's a word that is out of dictionary with the current generation young Indians. Unfortunately it is. Today we are in a hurry (may be good in some cases to be hurry), but in our haste, we give excuses for NOT BEING SELF DISCIPLINE.
If you had read "My Autobiography" of Mahatma Gandhiji, you will know what SELF-DISCIPLINE is. It is NOT making a promise to your mother that you wont eat meat. It is the fact that you believe in an IDEA and once you believe NEVER LETTING GO OF THE IDEA AT ANY COST.
That is lacking, a BASIC QUALITY in today's Indians. That is what I see in these blogs. I see lack of SELF-DISCIPLINE. I see lot of PERSONAL ATTACKS. Lot of SUBJECTVE ARGUMENTS.
Why is it NOT possible for us to become OBJECTIVE?!!! Keep asking the questions.
Ponnarasi:
Correction. FINDING FAULT IS NOT THE FIRST STEP(AND SO IS DRIVER WHO SUPPORTED YOU ON THIS).
Asking the Question WHY (of course not to find fault but to correct the situation), is the first step. To make it clear (for the benefit of Ponnarasi :-) )
You see a street which is dirty. Instead of asking the question - WHY IS THE GOVT. NOT ACTING ON IT, ask the question WHAT SHOULD I DO TO MAKE IT CLEAN!
The first question is Finding Fault. it takes no one no where.
The wecond question is POSITIVE. It will give the answers to correct the situation. May be the results may not come in a day or two and may be the approach we take to get the corrective action may not be right in the first or second attempt, but every attempt we make will help us gain the knowledge on what we should be doing and not be doing to get things right.
Every one of us waste a lot of time (as pistu did) in asking WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!! That's why we have the infamous Indian Frogs in a Well story. We should change this, and if the youth of today gets sucked by the dirty politics that our previous (few) generations have laid a trap for to get caught, we will not go any far even after 100 years.
Many a times we are SELFISH. We want to see the results today and when we fail in a few attempts we DECIDE that it will NEVER work and start CURSING and ACCUSING the Country. We are short-sighted. We dont have the patience.
We may be living in a kind of society today given by our forefathers, and the ONE THING WE ALL AGREE IS THAT IT $UCK$ :-(
But what are we doing to change it so that our grand kids can be porud of us!! What steps do we take to CHANGE THE SITUATION!!!
We leave a wonderful trail in these BLOGS of our INABILITY, INACTIVITY, IRRESPONSIBILITY to our kids and grand kids that we are a USELESS LOT who just BLAMES OTHERS and who JUST PULLS ONE ANOTHER'S LEG.
We are not even smart as our forefather's are who are in a way can escape by blaming the british and moghuls for the state we are in (as we have nothing to prove otherwsie), but we are leaving a wonderful trail.
Think 20-30 years from now. Many of you will be in your 50s and 60s.
Physically weak. Emotionally down. Helpless. What can you do at that time!!! You have the YOUNG BLOOD today, and you are wasting it in writing useless "wednesday" blogs which is of no help to anyone.
What have you done to make Indians feel that they can do better. Like a Si se puede article. What have we done to do something like that?
How many of us will be ready if Driver says yes let's do something like Si se puede! Instead of debating on useless things, why cannot those of you who commented earlier, comment now and say YES I WILL DO IT, and NO I WONT DO IT, OR MAY BE I'LL FOLLOW IF SOMEONE FOLLOWS.
Let's not start asking what to do. If we all are TOGETHER and if we all TRUST EACH OTHER, then it doesnt matter who drives the bus to the destination, but the destination matters.
Finally,
Ponnarasi/Sriram/Driver
It doesnt matter if I'm a male or female. It doesnt matter if I'm related to someone or the other. It does not matter if I start my own blog or not. It does not matter if I comment in one's blog and not the other's.
What matters is that I'm trying to see if the YOUTH of the country will WAKE UP FROM THE SPELL that is sourrounding the country and which is making us INACTIVE (TAMAS). What we need is a lot of ACTIVITY (RAJAS). I'm sure if we can try to wake up then we can reach the stage RAJAS sooner than later. Better be late than never.
And for those who are curious who I'm :-)
I'm an Indian. I'm Proud of the fact that I'm an Indian. I'm proud of the fact that I'm from a country which has shown the world, and continues to show that Material Life is short sightedness. I'm a VERY PROUD INDIAN.
passerby:
if someone is complaining about something, someone doesn't like that something happening. Then someone needs to use some word to describe that something and the closest word I could relate to was "$h!t".
Again, thanks for a detailed comment on the post. I hope your comment can convey the message better than my so-often-misinterpreted posts.
1.What exactly do u expect others 2 do?
I wonder how Driver missed some points that I would have guess he would put forth. But what the hell. I will let tell at least what I would expect others to do.
1. Don't piss on the road for heaven's sake. (Come to hyd and the most common sight is a guy pissing, while talking on his mobile phone when there is a well constructed and maintained govt. toilet with in 10 paces. Those B@st@rds!!)
1a. Don't spit!
2. VOTE! (It goes for me too. But there is a long story of why I didn't have the eligibility to vote). As I have always maintained. Its a right only for those who are denied. For others its a duty. You don't like anyone. Say it! There is a option for it!
3. Traffic: I am not sure if pushing traffic lights is an offense. But overtaking by the left ,if not an offense, is dangerous. And strangely the usually noisy Indian horns go silent while overtaking.
a.Driving against the traffic. Trust me. Its more common than it seems. And its everywhere!
4. Remember the RTI.
badhri:
I liked the way you emoted the appendix to my comments. There are a million things which we can do right but we think those are trivial and reject the same. Getting back to the basics gives a lot of answers. Even if we spend the same amount of research we do to state problems (like reading news, seeing issues in person), to find a solution and implement, it is significant.
The answer usually doesn't lie in front. Also, a question doesn't necessarily have a single answer. Effort and due diligence is important and needed to seek answers to such questions. We are educated in the schools and colleges to apply the principles and find a solution for problems that don't have simple solutions. And real life and societal issues are the worst possible problems that can happen to us. Just like we apply ourselves to find a solution to our academic problems, we need to apply ourselves to find the solutions for the social problems.
Educated youngsters like us need to take the effort another step rather than just stating problems which any person can do.
Also, if anyone who feels that I personally attacked someone's feelings on some of my comments and responses, I am sorry for that but when questions become subjective rather than objective (like passerby puts it), responses tend to be so too.
I would find myself a stronger and a more motivated person when my positives are taken and my negatives are corrected. I am open to being corrected, are you?
Driver,
Don't be sorry. With nothing against Pistu, I believe, he got carried away by what you stated figuratively, though he very well takes your core point.
To address your "solution" part. Accountability is the single solution. Hold everybody accountable for their actions and you are through. Accountability calls for enforcement.
Example: We have better roads today than yesterday *only* because govt. is going to lost investments without them and someone has to answer for that loss. (looking back at my own past too, I have seen that we NRIs *do* argue on niceties even when we agree upon anyway! I wonder why!)
Pistu:
> so what have you done to satisfy "by the people" part
I would love to answer your question with specifics. But I stand the risk of exposing Driver if I do. So, you have to take my word for it. He not only practices better than the average lot. He also takes it upon him to preach.
Badhri:
It doesn't really matter what I or you or anyone does as long as one is true to their own conscience. But thanks for the attempt at validating my intentions. When someone feels that a person needs to do something one way or another, it is not wrong in telling the other person to do that as long as you would do the same given the same circumstances.
On this point I disagree with Sriram where he says one can not expect others to do the same you do. There is nothing wrong in expecting (request) others to do things you would do as long as there is no force (command) involved. Nothing gets done unless one opens up and conveys the idea.
A REQUEST
Driver:
Please DO NOT post another article in your blog!!!!!!!!! Well, my request is to NOT spoil the WONDERFUL topic that COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!
I just don't want you to post another "Boring Post" to take away the attention.
Glad to see Badri's comments. Even though he is frustrated too I think he is more serious than many others. Keep it up.
India needs youngsteres to take at least as a PART TIME JOB something serious to do to the country.
So DRIVER, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE AWAY THE ATTENTION AND SERIOUSNESS by posting another topic.
THIS COULD BE IT!!!! :-)
Jai Hind
Badri
It is impressive to read your comments. Something very different than what I usually saw in the related blogs. Something which tells me that there is a great desire (and fire) in you to make a better India. May be, with what you have said about Driver (supporting him), I understand you both are a bit apart.
To all:
Unfortunately, to do what one is EXPECTED to do has now-a-days become a BIG DEAL, isnt it?? Like to be Legal :-( (To urinate on the road, to push red lights, to drive on the wrong side of the road, to spit etc., are ILLEGAL in India isnt it?!). These are WRITTEN RULES and not basic courtesy alone!!!!
I was only wondering that if we feel so proud and satisfied to be a regular CITIZEN, how wonderful it would feel if we are a TRUE CITIZEN wanting to see and CONTIRBUTE to the country doing well.
I could image that our forefathers have enjoyed such a life to be able to guide the rest of the world in their GOLDEN ERA. How wonderful if we can be part of such a force which would INFLUENCE (of course positively) the world.
Many feel that such thoughts are NOT PRACTICAL. Even though many of us "WANT" to live in such a wonderful situation, we somehow tend to think that it is someone else's job to create something for us to enjoy!! Or even worse some of us try to IMAGINE that we can CONTIRBUTE without even gaining the necessary EXPERTISE which is bound to result to failure and when eventually they fail, they start complaining the system.
A good number of us are possibly even afraid to do that bit more for some UNKNOWN reasons. If we ask ourselves the question, "Why can't we start doing something for our country?" (first to ourselve), may be we will land up saying something that is not even close to a lame excuse. (It wont hurt to try it once to you within yourselves!! You dont have to publish the result btw :-) )
Appreciating the fact that driver takes it on him to preach as well (from your words), i think that is THAT EXTRA BIT every one of us need to do. Many of our fellow Indians are BORN, BROUGHT UP, LIVE and DIE in the so called THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, and don't even have any clue of how life can be better if only we WANT it to be, and it WILL be better the MOMENT WE WANT IT TO BE.
So the onus lies on us who are privileged to visit the so called "FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES" and possibly spend a good part of life living in those countries, to do anything that can help the TYPICAL Indian brother and sister to understand. It is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to teach the basics - to start with PERSONAL SAFETY & HYGIENE. Many of the things that you had mentioned that you want people to do fall in these two categories.
Just HOPING on the Govt. had not taken us anywhere all these days, and it is up to us to see ways and means by which we can IMPACT positively on the public. This will definitely put pressure on the govt. and it will eventually be corrected as well.
So "EDUCATION" as in terms of "SOCIAL LIVING" which is probably missing in the curriculum of Indian Schools (of today I should say), should now be enforced (not by just talking big, but by acting) with some contribution from us individuals. Remember, it is NOT necessary to act as an individual but we can always come collectively and make it a GOOD ENOUGH FORCE.
If a BLOG can get so much of replies, I'm sure we can be part of a "SILENT REVOLUTION" which starts impacting the country in a positive way.
CAUTION: As I've said earlier, we should remember that it takes time, and we cannot be impatient to see results.
A possible place where we can start making an IMPACT, is to visit our schools that we studied, and see how these two basic factors are handled (Personal Safety and Hygine).
I'm sure almost all of us will agree that both these are NEGLECTED in many a schools. No precaution is taken what so ever in your science labs to protect kids from freak accidents and I'm sure 99% of the school wont even have a fire extinguisher in the labs. I guess there is no need to comment on the condition of the toilets.
Well, if you GROW UP in such a situation (school being a society), it gets IMBIBED in your brain that it is OK to piss&spit in the public and to do things that put your life in danger. That is the lesson you learn in the FORMATIVE years, and as they say in thamizh 5ல் வளையாதது, 50ல் வளையுமா? (for the benefit of NERUPPU NARI USERS :-) 5IL 50IL AIMBADHIL VALAYUMA)
There are TONNES of things that one can do. I hope this thread will start picking up some "IMPLEMENTABLE" actions which hopefully will get refined to REAL ACTION.
Remember, worst case, even if we do not see the results in our life time, WE WOULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO A BETTER LIFE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN.
EVENTUALLY INDIA WILL BECOME BETTER SOONER THAN LATER.
PS: I place a request for people to contribute. Let's speak our hearts out. Let's put an attempt. It can be positive or it can be negative. I'M HOWEVER SURE THAT EVERY ONE OF US WANT TO SEE A BETTER INDIA AND FEEL THAT WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE ONE.
So please take the first step. Start COMMENTNG (at the least) which will eventually and hopefully lead us to start CONTRIBUTING. Remember WE ALL ARE WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!
BE POSITIVE!!! You can definitel be CRITICAL, but avoid CRITICISM FOR THE SAKE OF IT. Let's show some OBJECTIVE contribution.
Why waste time on converting sea water to fresh water?. Either learn to remain in sea water or migrate to fresh water. If you love the sea too much, then you must not mind its salinity. India is a land known for its infinite freedom. Anyone or anything can enter it and do anything inside it.Please don't do anything that spoils it.
anon:
I don't get your point. Do u mean to say that migration is the only solution?
If you want to be in India,you must enjoy what it offers and not complain about things which are inherent to it. I love India - its bustling crowd, honking traffic, platform shops,bargains, solving problems easily through bribes, servant maids,autorickshaws etc. You should not try taking these away from it.
anon (CVG!):
This is definitely something I expected from you. In reality, you are in a state of ignorance as well. It is clear from your statements that you are hiding your frustrations behind an artificial love for the country that you claim you have. Things don't happen overnight and I am just disappointed that you have already given up and moved from sea water to fresh water.
Anon (CVG): What is CVG? :-p
Good to see the start of a new entity with a negative comment.
For the rest:
Here is someone who needs "EDUCATION", who does not understand that "MATURE COLLECTIVE LIVING" is HEALTHY. (Please please, this is NOT a personal attack to make it very clear, but the attempt tell you(and close to billion others) why you aren't aware of some BASIC RIGHTS =saftey/hygiene/medical care (Those who live in cities in India and are very well taken care of the primary basic rights food/water/shelter).
anon (CVG): Let's see? If you have lived outside of India in a country (like USA, Australia, Singapore) then it is an irresponsible statement you have made, and you have not made the most out of an opportunity to LEARN what is available in those countries as "BASIC NEEDS".
If you have not lived abroad India, then well, as Driver said it could be frustrtion or plain just ignorance of how better you could live.
BUSTLING CROWD AND HONKING TRAFFIC? Have you ever been or at the least imagined someone near and dear to be on an "Emergency" and on an ambulance and trying to get to the hospital to save a life? Have you enjoyed (Or do you think you can now ENJOY) your Indian situation? If you have not, take it from me, I've been and it is just plain HELPLESS as well as PROVOCATING(probably the basic necessities to become a terrorist which is not what we want the citizens of the country to become when they are in a situation).
I'm sure you (and anybody for that matter) cannot live in such a situation if they have to happen in your own house (like pissing inside the house, and eating in the same place where you did that?! Come on get real. AT THE LEAST THINK FOR YOURSELF AND BE SELFISH!!!
India is the HOME for billions. If you wont do it in your home, then I'm sure you will not be doing it for those Indian's homes (I dont know if you are an Indian)
I appreciate your answer, but I encourage you to dig a bit deep, and think for scenarios in which you might be troubled yourself.
And finally, the honking traffic and the occupied platforms, the bribe you pay (almost all of what you said), is NOT the character of India. They are all RUDE and they are NOT India.
India has a very rich and long history. It is not the past 20 (or 60) years which we have contributed by trying to manage it ourselves.
Let's hear from you!!
PS: Please use "other" option and give yourself a name. If everyone choses to answer as Anonymous, I'm sure there will be confusion when we address them. :-)
Driver:
I agree that I used to be frustrated but not now. I have got englightened and started appreciating things in its reality and I have started finding the beauty in it. I repeat..I am not frustrated anymore.
Passerby:
I must thank you for your offer to educate me. Before that we need to decide who needs to get educated.
When you start looking at India, please see it as a unique entitiy. The things like hygine ,sanity etc are imposed by west and need not be applicable to India. Don't you see how the children in Chennai slums have better immunity than even the Indians who have lived in the west. Don't you see that people who just visit India for a weeks trip from the US fall sick as soon they reach the airport. Is this want you want to happen to Indians when they visit Africa ?
I am not against sanitation but it must not be imposed.When we lived in hostels ,were our rooms clean? did we not keep it shabby? If you go and ask people today about their hostel life , they would say those are their best days in life. I have not heard anyone saying that they feel bad about keeping their rooms unclean. LIfe is beyond sanitation, traffic rules and discipline. There is something called the spirit that lies within all this so called filth. Indians are the most happiest people in the world. Just let them remain happy on their own and not impose your western ideas on them.
Indians have big heart and forgiving tendencies. Gandhi has told that you must forgive everyone and everything. Hence he even asked hindus not to attack muslims in retaliation during partition but rather offer themselves to get killed. Gandhiji was totally against western ideas and he taught Indians to live simple. He even told that human beings must not involve too much in science and technology.
The problems in India today is because Indians are not following Gandhi completely. They are just doing a lip service. Gandhi had clearly told that if kashmiris want to be in pakistan you should let them go. India's leaders and people did not follow completely and hence we having so much of trouble.
Instead of trying to bring things what you see in the west to India,try to live in India with what it has to offer.
As far as your ambulance things etc goes,you should think about fate. We have lived happily(as you claim) in the past. We were able to do so without the so called sanitiation , stuff and advanced technology. Why can't we do it now??
giri:
"Just let them remain happy on their own and not impose your western ideas on them."
I am an Indian too and I am trying to make Indians like me happy(ier). I don't know who told you that staying clean and hygienic are western ideas. History shows that Indians have been for cleanliness before (ஆசாரம், மடி, so on...) but have lost the way somewhere in between. If asking someone to get back to old ways is "forcing" them to be against their will (I wonder who likes to be dirty and filthy!), then I am for enforcing it.
Venkatagiri
Don't you see how the children in Chennai slums have better immunity than even the Indians who have lived in the west.
LOL :-)
I guess you want to argue with me. Let me ask you a question!! Can I? Sorry to ask some personal questions, but I am trying to see if I'm really wrong! Honestly!!!
Do you live in the slums? Do you live by the cooum river? If you are, are you healthy?
May be you get offended, but my point is, (I guess you live in a decent healthier locality) while you want to live in a decent house and want to get to a better house and a better environment (It is natural to think to get better) how come you want "OTHERS" to "ENJOY" wherever they live in?
I think you have taken my comment on starting to be "SELFISH" a bit too literally!!
I have read about Gandhiji and without getting into specifics, I did not know when Gandhiji had said to live in FILTH and UNHYIGENIC environment. He has always advocated cleanliness.
It is not because people do not follow Gandhiji that India is in this state. It is because people REFUSE to think.
I think you probably are offended because I said people like you need to be educated and started throwing stones at me.
கற்றது கைமண் அளவு கல்லாதது உலகளவு. (Katrathu kaiman alavu kalladhadhu ulakalavu)
There is NOTHING wrong in learning. If it is good, why worry if it came from west or east. Even if cleanliness had to come from west (as per your argument), what is wrong in learning it if it makes our life better? Why வரட்டு கௌரவம்! (varattu gauravam)
To be a proud India does not mean that you should not improve your lifestyle (if that is what you are trying to say in your reply).
As far as your ambulance things etc goes,you should think about fate. We have lived happily(as you claim) in the past. We were able to do so without the so called sanitiation , stuff and advanced technology. Why can't we do it now??
I know I'm trying to wake up someone who is acting to be sleeping (தூங்குபவரை எழுப்பலாம் தூங்குவதுபோல் நடிப்பவரை எழுப்ப முடியுமா?)
Driver:
Aacharam and MADI is purely "perceived" self hygine and cleanliness and nothing to do with public sanitation. FOr that matter followers of madi and aacharam never had any qualms throwing garbage on roads or diverting drainage to neighbour's house.So better try to search in Indus valley civilization era about cleanliness.
Passerby:
It is unfortunate that I don't have a first hand experience of slums. But for that matter, I can very confidently say those who live there are not forced to live there. Indian constitution never explicitly states that people must be forced to live in slums. I only told that SANITATION IS A PERSONAL CHOICE. You cannot demand it from anyone like in the west. However,my point is think beyond this santitation and cleanliness and try to understand the true Indian spirit and culture. Take pride in our glorious past and celebrate our superiority over the rest of the world instead of harping on petty things like hygine and discipline.
Indians are the most intelligent and cultured people in today's world .It is time for countries in the west to follow India's way of life. India,today, is the champion of unfettered individual freedom and justice which must be emulated all across the world. So I would rather suggest you to put yours effort in America(that is where you live i guess) which infact is in cultural poverty and is in dire need of your services.
Venkatagiri:
Well, are you SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I kinda agree with Venkatagiri.. I think both passerby and driver are trying to impose western culture into Indian mix,.. u gotta realise US is atleast three or four times bigger, richer than India and probably three or four times lower in population, so it is easy to meet the demand in US, keep the cities clean, enforce law.. but u cant do or expect the same in our country. In India u put a manhole cover ppl sell it the next day for money. I believe ppl are doing their responsibilities. When we cant do something at work we hire a new person to do or help with the job and thats exactly what government should be doing and it aint doing it.. few months back in the newspaper they showed four pics with traffic cops getting bribe and no actions were taken against those cops.. those are responsiblity of the govt not us..soo if the govt aint responsible, whatever we do wont help even a least bit.
Badri.. I know about Driver too, just giving him a hard time :)
Pistu:
I don't understand where I compared India to USA anywhere in the post or in the comments before Venkatagiri inferred that cleanliness came from the western world to India.
I don't understand why we have to be so stubborn that we wouldn't stop bribing and we wouldn't stop crapping the place around and still keep complaining that the government doesn't do anything. It is a pity.
Maybe u didnt mean to compare US to India but most of your questions in your blog you say as solutions are things your are used to in US. Again, We cant stop bribing unless the government starts to do work they are supposed to do without asking for it. well how many streets back home do u see with trashcan along the streets to throw the trash??? I am not blaming the govt alone but without the govt acting responsibly there is no way we can do anything even if you do have self responsibility.
pistu:
I personally have seen people throw garbage right next to a trash can. When asked, that person told - "நீ அமேரிக்கா போயிட்டு வந்து இங்கயும் அப்படியே இருக்கணும்னு எதிர்ப்பார்க்காதே.". This is a 60+ year old lady(unfortunately later elected as the Panchayat Counsellor for that area).
If youngsters like us can't change our way of living, we can't expect those who have lived most of their lives already. If getting self-discipline needs "enforcement" as you say, it is unfortunate that we boast India to be the youngest country in the world. What is the point of having the youngest country in the world with nothing but irresponsibility and lack of self-discipline? It is like having six jokers (out of thirteen cards) in a game of rummy where at least two out of four sets need to be true sets.
u gave an example of 60 yr old lady and extrapolating to a youngster which doesnt make any sense. I am not talking about govt enforcing ppl throw trash in a trash can.. I was talking about the bribing. With six jokers u can make a set of 3 or 4 and have the rest to help make sets other than the true sets or even use them to form a true set, it is just the way you look at it. All I am trying to say is our youngsters are already doing it or trying to do it, give them some time. our country aint the same when we left 6 yrs ago and travelling for 2 weeks every year aint gonna show you the true picture.
pistu:
Your statements are back and forth. One time you say, people do things and it will take time). Another time you are saying nothing will happen whatever we do (check back your comments). Please note that my point is not to prove you wrong. My intention is to make people think and work towards a solution. Your seem to just want to counter whatever I say though your intentions are the same as mine. You desire a better India than it is now (which you again countered your own statement earlier), but I understand your stand on this.
Passerby:
Why this exclamation?? Tell me why you can't believe in what I told?.
Think about it-you will realize the inner meaning. May be this is the time
for you to get "educated".
The need of the hour is realization of India's glory and superiority. There is no need to care about whether people are clean or streets are clean or
bribing is rampant?. Why cant we just include it in our "way of life"?(which majority of indians have already done except for a few people like you). Haven't we done these things at every opportunity? When people violate rules, there are two options - strictly enforce the rule or relax the rule. As a country known for its tolerance and genrosity we have followed the second part and are happy doing it which also gives us our uniqueness. We have umpteem number of constitutional amendments in the last 60 years of independence compared to a country like US which became independent more than 200 years ago. We are already proving to the world that our people are vibrant, brave and above all tolerant. By this extended "way of life" people of India are going to further prove that they can live in any given condition and do not need a sophisticated life like the westerns.
So in my opinion, it is the time to get back to our basics.Let us look at
our leaders who fought and got us independence. Let us think how can we get closer to what they have preached. The big concern for us today is isolated violence and attaks that are taking part in India. We should try to stop it by stictly following the path of non-violence.I hope you will work in this direction. My best wishes to you.
Venatagiri:
What can I say? I am sure my exclamations made you think and that reflects in your reply. To that extent I'm sure you are just arguing for the sake of it.
The topic is WHAT CAN WE DO? And not whether we are PROUD OR NOT about India and its history and its pride. There is no qestion about the second (particularly in this topic).
Your (and also pistu's) confusion tells me a few things:
1) You are not living in India
2) You want to do something for India, but you feel that you cannot do it, for whatever reason that you best know
3) You feel bad when you hear someone says or does something to better India, because you cannot do it. again for whatever reason best known to you
NOW FOR SOME SERIOUS STATEMENTS:
( I welcome everyone to comment and contribute. Before you read, I'M WRITING THIS TO PROVOKE YOU!!! I'M WRITING THIS TO TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN DO MUCH MUCH BETTER. I'M WRITING THIS TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY UTILIZING A VERY MINISCULE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF!! AND TO TELL YOU NOT TO WASTE YOUR PRECIOUS ENERGY BUT CHANNELIZE SO INDIA CAN BENEFIT AND BE PROUD OF YOU AS WELL!!
Let me tell you something, your assumptions are very funny and tells that you are immature. You accused me of not living in India (without even knowing who I'm or where I live or what I do). That's immaturity to the core.
To clarify, you assumed that I'M INDIAN :-) How are you sure?!!!!!!!
Well your (this)assumption is right!! I'm a PROUD INDIAN. Identifying an area which can be improved, DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ABOUT IT, SCOPE IT, PLAN IT, and DOING SOMETHING about it the plan of action is what we are trying to do. HOW DOES THAT LEAD TO ME NOT BEING PROUD OF MY HERITAGE?!!! To expect a CLEAN country is ANTI PATRIOTIC?!!!! ANTI INDIAN???!!! Have you seen pictures of the cooum river you talked about some 40 years back?!! It was a waterway? Who spoiled it?! THE ANCIENT INDIANS who built wonderful structures and monuments which are COMPLETE in all aspects? No. It is YOU AND ME, the CURRENT GENERATION INDIANS? It is you and me who keep BLOGGING nonsense. It is you and me who think we are proud by just THIKING about it and not doing about it. Come on. Get a grip in yourself!!!! Is this the SELF-DISCIPLINE and RESPONSIBILITY that you want to be PROUD OF?!!!!!
Secondly, I LIVE IN MY COUNTRY unlike you do. (its my turn to assume but with maturity)
And among other assumptions, you assumed that you know my history (which includes my age, gender, occupation etc., etc) and you have spilled milk all over!!
My simple tip: Without knowing the boundaries if we start working THERE WILL BE NO MERCY SHOWN!!!!!!!!!
That's the problem with youngsters like you. WE HAVE BLOATED EGO, just because we are FORTUNATE to earn a few $$$ more at an early age (whether we DESERVE it or NOT). We feel that WE ARE CONTRIBUTING by foreign exchange but that is a fortunate by-product of our selfish intentions.
We think we are EXPERTS in EVERYTHING without even ATTEMPTING and by just writing on some faceless blogs. By doing such THOUGHTLESS activities we are proving that WE ARE NEITHER CONTIRBUTING not ALLOWING OTHERS to contibute.
(TYPICAL OF EATTAPPAN PARAMBARAI)
Let me ask you something? Have you read your replies one more time after you wrote them? If not let me encourage you to put together all your replies. Read about what you wrote about the slums.
Understand that before you came in to this blog, some of us were discussing of WHAT WE CAN DO TO OUR COUNTRY (Kudos to DRIVER AND BADHRI here).
You jumped in with your BLIDING EGO and started swishing here and there without any AIM. As a result, you are 180 degrees on the other side asking us NOT TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
So there are now TWO SIDES to the discussion: 1) wanting to do something to India and 2) Not wanting to do ANYTHING for India I'm not yet talking about WHY WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING OR NOT DO SOMETHING. Reason doesnt matter.
So if the "BASIC IDEOLOGY" doesnt match, then why are you here and spoiling the OTHER'S PARTY. WHY DONT YOU RELAX IN YOUR LAZYBOY and watch JUNK in TV with a BEER in your hand and ENJOY your life as a FALSE (NON-INDIAN, can I now guess that you live in America ;-)) and a FALSE INDIAN as well.
Dont' worry. I'll help you out with answers as well. I'll tell you why you are here!!! You are here, because you want to see India better (as opposite to what you write). You have FEAR OF FAILURE. You worry too much on the results (and that too you want it only to be positive). You think you are INCAPABLE of doing something and have ACCEPTED your incapability. (Unlike others in the discussion)
YOU ARE A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF THOUSANDS AND TEN THOUSANDS OF YOUNG INDIANS THAT I MEET EVERY DAY IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE IN INDIA.
YOU LIVE IN PAST 20-30 years that you have seen or lived in (I'm assuming your age now ;-) ) and WITHOUT EVEN READING A SINGLE BOOK IN HISTORY OF INDIA, you are starting to say that you are a PROUD INDIAN. Typical of many young indians who are fortunate to be in a field which will give them opportunity to work abroad (because they are CHEAP)!!!
That's what we think about ourselves - CHEAP. Even though we TALK BIG, we sell ourselves VERY CHEAPLY?!!!! (I'm assuming now you are earning much less than your american colleague). Have you read about Lord Maccaulay?!! Read his report if you have the patience, and see why you are like this!!!!!!!
You may say 1001 thinigs about me not being a proud Indian. How does that matter? (I mean me being a proud indian or not). What matters is the FACT THAT I'M WILLING TO BE IN A TEAM OF INDIANS (like Badri/Driver) WHO ARE WANTING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY THEIR OWN LIVES (Unlike you who live because Mahatama Gandhiji gave you freedom. What an irony? You dont live in a free country but live in a country which imposes WESTERN IDEAS). Unlike you, who say India is free, but you dont want to live in this country. Unlike you, who want Indians to maintani their STANDARD OF LIVING, but you want A BETTER ONE for yourselves. Unlike you who want to say that OTHERS should sacrifice and NOT YOU!? Unlike you, who may never want to come back to make a living in India, but would readily cry "MY COUNTRY" is not helping when you are finding it difficult in a foreign land, for whatever reason.
How can you be so lame to tell that YOU ARE DUMB?!!! (Sorry for the personal comment), but you did tell me through your writings that AMERICANS IMPOSE THEIR IDEAS AND YOU DID NOT WANT ME/DRIVER TO IMPOSE THOSE IDEAS (WHICH YOU, FROM WHERE GOD ONLY KNOWS, THINK IS IMPORTED FROM WESTERN COUNTRIES).
But you every single day live a SLAVE LIFE, WHERE PEOPLE SLAVE YOU (By your definition only). And I LIVE A FREE LIFE being in India :-)
PISTU:
You want to bribe, you want take home a manhole cover and then you want the GOVT. to stop you. What NONSENSE.
You dont want to PUNISH those who GIVE the BRIBE the cops but you WANT to punish those who TAKE IT?!!! The first part you will give excuse, and the second part, the Govt. you elected, will give the excuse (can sight the same reasons, india is small, not very rich, and heavily populated unlike usa where it can be ENSURED).
Where are we heading? Nowhere. Not even in a discussion you are making any sense?!! What is Govt? That too in a "democractic" country?! That's what Driver started with "For the People, By the People"
Pistu and Venkatagiri:
Just eager with your replies: How would you like if I come to your house and piss on the compound wall of the house? :-s Would you appreciate it? How would you like if I come with an arrest warrant (of course by bribing the cops), to arrest you?!!!! That's the India you want to REMAIN isnt' it? I'm SURE YOU WONT HAVE THE GUTS TO FACE THIS QUESTION. FORGET ABOUT ANSWERING THEM (HONESTLY OF COURSE). If you ask me the same question, I'll be PISSED-OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm. I'm can continue, but I dont want to WASTE any more CYBERSPACE for the sake of those who DONT CARE A DAMN!!!!!
For ALL OTHERS WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR COUNTRY, please see if we can do something by starting it in your house (which I'm sure Badri/Driver must have attempted), and then in the school you studied. The first is for your own self (TO SET A LIVING EXAMPLE) and the SECOND IS A REAL CONTRIBUTION for those kids who will be the youngsters of tomorrow and will restore the "REAL PRIDE" of OUR MOTHER INDIA!!!
START WITH BASICS - HYIEGENE & PERSONAL SAFETY. This need not be restricted to school where you studied but I felt that can be an easy starting point particularly those who studied in private schools.
The suggestion was in reply to WHAT DRIVER and BADRI had contributed and by doing it answering those people who feel that they are GREAT by asking a question like WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!! When we do, we dont have to tell, and when we do we dont have to ask other's what YOU have done.
I think that's the India that was there. We youngsters have the HUGE RESPONSIBILITY, of RESTORING the pride of our FOREFATHERS, and also take it to the NEXT LEVEL and BEYOND for our GRAND CHILDREN. WE NEED NOT TALK BIG TALKS OF SACRIFICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE WILL GO THERE BY CREATING STEPPING STONES.
We WANT TO REACH THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN BY BUILDING THE STEPS TO THE TOP. I'm SURE THE REST OF THE "CROWD" WILL FOLLOW.
I dont know how many are reading this blog of driver. I encourage those who read to comment. But before commenting, if you like, take a side. If you are FOR THIS Please contirbute (+ve or -ve doesnt matter, but please work with to make it +ve). It is foolish to just look at positives, but we are not going to be carried away with "REAL FOOLISH" ideas. We can reject them.
PS: Apologies to driver to use his blog. I thought you are sensible and I wanted to be part of a FORCE that has the DESIRE TO MAKE INDIA BIG AND BETTER (Driver/Badhri like). REMEMBER I'M NOT DISCOUNTING PISTU/VENKATAGIRI because they DONT SUBSCRIBE TO THIS IDEOLOGY. I'm neither ignoring those like SRIRAM/PONNARASI and many others who are possibly not here, but I ENCOURAGE THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
Jai Hind.
Let me tell you something, your assumptions are very funny and tells that you are immature. You accused me of not living in India (without even knowing who I'm or where I live or what I do). That's immaturity to the core.
I dont know when "guessing" became synonymous to "accusation"? .
Have you seen pictures of the cooum river you talked about some 40 years back?!! It was a waterway? Who spoiled it?! THE ANCIENT INDIANS who built wonderful structures and monuments which are COMPLETE in all aspects?
Coovum river was a waterway because ancient Indians did not have the capability to pollute as much as the Indians today. Indians(ancient and modern) never cared about
pollution and this is the bitter truth.
Secondly, I LIVE IN MY COUNTRY unlike you do. (its my turn to assume but with maturity)
Kudos to you. It is a matured assumption.
And among other assumptions, you assumed that you know my history (which includes my age, gender, occupation etc., etc) and you have spilled milk all over!!
I simply didn't care about it and I didn't have any milk to spill ;) .
That's the problem with youngsters like you. WE HAVE BLOATED EGO, just because we are FORTUNATE to earn a few $$$ more at an early age (whether we DESERVE it or NOT). We feel that WE ARE CONTRIBUTING by foreign exchange but that is a fortunate by-product of our selfish intentions.
I am humbled by this.
We think we are EXPERTS in EVERYTHING without even ATTEMPTING and by just writing on some faceless blogs. By doing such THOUGHTLESS activities we are proving that WE ARE NEITHER CONTIRBUTING not ALLOWING OTHERS to contibute.
I never prevented anyone from contributing. I just raised some genuine questions and gave honest comments.
You jumped in with your BLIDING EGO and started swishing here and there without any AIM. As a result, you are 180 degrees on the other side asking us NOT TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
I never did that. I was only trying to suggest you to have relook at your priorities. I thought ahimsa was more important than sanitation.
So if the "BASIC IDEOLOGY" doesnt match, then why are you here and spoiling the OTHER'S PARTY. WHY DONT YOU RELAX IN YOUR LAZYBOY and watch JUNK in TV with a BEER in your hand and ENJOY your life as a FALSE (NON-INDIAN, can I now guess that you live in America ;-)) and a FALSE INDIAN as well.
Sure. THat is what I was planning. I would be happy if you can strip me of my Indianness for commiting such a crime.
Dont' worry. I'll help you out with answers as well. I'll tell you why you are here!!! You are here, because you want to see India better (as opposite to what you write). You have FEAR OF FAILURE. You worry too much on the results (and that too you want it only to be positive). You think you are INCAPABLE of doing something and have ACCEPTED your incapability. (Unlike others in the discussion).
YOU ARE A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF THOUSANDS AND TEN THOUSANDS OF YOUNG INDIANS THAT I MEET EVERY DAY IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE IN INDIA
Is it time for your come out of your assumptions ?
YOU LIVE IN PAST 20-30 years that you have seen or lived in (I'm assuming your age now ;-) ) and WITHOUT EVEN READING A SINGLE BOOK IN HISTORY OF INDIA, you are starting to say that you are a PROUD INDIAN.
THats correct. I cannot agree more on this. Reading the real history would make the words PROUD INDIAN an oxymoron.Unfortunately I read the history.
What matters is the FACT THAT I'M WILLING TO BE IN A TEAM OF INDIANS (like Badri/Driver) WHO ARE WANTING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY THEIR OWN LIVES (Unlike you who live because Mahatama Gandhiji gave you freedom. What an irony? You dont live in a free country but live in a country which imposes WESTERN IDEAS).
True. I am fully aware of the fact that I am unfortunate Indian unlike you. I was poisoned by the western world. They poisoned me by simply looking at my capabilities instead of clout (imaginary is it?), treating me at par with Americans in my job (another illusion right??) , and did not discriminate me racially (yes ..if they had done, i could have become another gandhi.). I get taken aback by the courteous and polite way people talk to me here. I become dumbfounded when a policeman talks to me like "Sir.. Can I see your license?" instead of friendly addressing me as "savugrakki" . I was further poisoned by authors like Ayn Rand and her interpretations of capitalism and America. Hence I am in a totally hopeless situation. You are not poisoned and so you are happily living in a country that has a constitution which gives equality inspite of having reservations , which is secular inspite of not having uniform civil code and above all which is on the verge of becoming superpower inspite of 30% of its territory not under its own control .
Unlike you, who want Indians to maintani their STANDARD OF LIVING, but you want A BETTER ONE for yourselves. Unlike you who want to say that OTHERS should sacrifice and NOT YOU!? Unlike you, who may never want to come back to make a living in India, but would readily cry "MY COUNTRY" is not helping when you are finding it difficult in a foreign land, for whatever reason
I don't know when I said others have to sacrifice. I only told that majority of Indians are okay with the way things are running in India as there doesn't seem to be any trace of rebellion. On the contrary political parties are getting re-elected for (supposed) misgovernance. They are ready to elect criminals that too with a high voter turn out. As India is a democracy , you should respect the will of the majority. That is what I am doing.
On a serious note :
I just tried my hand at sarcasm instead of the usual emotional outburst. My ideas are very different from yours and I hope you will excuse me if I had wasted your time . My comments on this blog was as a result of driver sending out an email in the group asking for responses and I was unable to resist giving one . I am a believer of getting to the basics for solving any problem and I find serious problems with the foundations of the country , its constitution and the way of governance. It is not just about democracy or sanitation. I feel unless the roots are made strong, there is no point in watering a plant . In my opinion , you guys are just doing that . I don't have a clue about how to get to the roots.
venkatagiri & passerby:
Giri - I appreciate your inputs cuz I requested you to. Passerby - I appreciate your inputs cuz you wanted to.
Both are talking about bettering the country in some way, which was my original intent of the post. Passerby feels that he knows a place to start and Giri is definitely frustrated that he is unable to do a thing.
Giri - u definitely can't deny it from your comments. You just pretend to be happy with what is out there but from what you say you are not. Please don't deny it again cuz it doesn't matter what I think or anyone thinks about it. You know it and you are just fooling yourself if you try to deny it.
Passerby - there were assumptions that Giri made may have been wrong which you proved are wrong. Likewise, the assumptions you made about Giri is not necessarily true either. So, let us please stay away from personal (subjective) responses. It is good to provoke a person in working towards a better India, but the provocation beyond a certain limit will do exactly the opposite. aLavukku meerinaal amuthamum nanju. So, please refrain from forceful debates. It gets us nowhere.
It is an oxymoron (I seem to use this word a lot nowadays) that Giri is so amazed by the courteousness, cleanliness and comforts of the western world but he prefers that the same does NOT enter India. On a positive note, are you really willing to know where the ROOT is if someone is ready to show you so? Are you open enough, ready enough and prepared enough to face the setbacks and consequences of the quest to search for the root? Personally, I feel (since I know you) that you are one of the few that will be prepared to do so but you just held back by your initial setbacks and frustrations (don't deny it again).
Passerby:
Like one of my friends likes to say - "Yettu soraikkai karikku uthavaathu". Are you prepared to go beyond your well "exclamated" and "emoted" write-ups beyond just comments and provocations? Are you willing to lead those like Badhri, Giri (just by commenting he is showing interest), Pistu, Sriram (if he really believes in his preferred saying), Ponnarasi, me and many more who visit this blog but don't comment towards finding the ROOT that some of us find difficult to see?
It is a tough path to endure and not all are capable of doing so. People prefer punch dialogues to real action. That is human mentality. Very few words become actions and words are never in shortage for the intellect, well educated and the articulate. The point this post and the comments is not to justify our capabilties to argue and to use fancy words. It is to promote a sense of pride and a felling of willingness to do something worthwhile. Let us work towards making our kids and grand-kids worthy of courteousness and commaraderie that Giri finds in the western world. Let us not be selfish. Let us think beyond ourselves. Let us think of the future just like Gandhiji did for India sixty years ago just to die by his own man for whom he provided the freedom.
Venkatagiri:
I'm happy to see a SERIOUS note towards the end. You have started thinking. I'm very glad about that :-)
I'm not going to comment on any of the other things as they are records of your outburst. Good, that you have vented out and in the process have told the world that you are ONE OF THOSE WHO WANT INDIA TO BECOME BETTER!!
Having given a serious thought, why dont you continue it?!! Why dont you try to take it to the next level?
Instead of trying to solve a HUGE PROBLEM, why dont you first see if the ways to solve problems that are well within your reach?!
"SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THE FOUNDATION OF THE COUNTRY"!!!!!!
You can solve this?!! If only you want to. But dont wait for another Gandhiji to be born to solve this. You have to become a Gandhiji to solve it. You, me and others who are Indians.
You have NOT HURT MY FEELINGS at all. No need to apologize. The only request is that if you think you are NOT PREVENTING OTHERS, then give an encouraging word. Give a helping hand. Support the cause!!
May be it will lead to a constitutional change. You cannot just DISCOUNT it because you THINK it wont solve the problem. THINING IS DIFFERENT FROM EXPERIENCING IT.
Good to see driver asking you through an email to contribute. Why dont you follow suite. Why dont you ask your friends to contribute as well. But please make it VERY CLEAR that we are INTERESTED IN CONTRIBUTION and NOT OBSTRUCTION.
Please make it clear that this blog post is for those who are WANTING TO DO AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT BACK TO THE COUNTRY. Please tell them that this group has the potential to REALLY DO SOMETHING and not just TALK ABOUT BIG THINGS LIKE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA.
Finally my dear venkatagiri, I think what we NEED TO DO is to be PROUD OF THE HISTORY, be AWARE AND HONEST OF OUR SHORTCOMINGS, CONTRIBUTE TO TAKE THE HISTORY TO THE NEXT LEVEL (But first we need to get it to a level where it was and that itself is more than a lifetimes work).
BE PATIENT. SOW THE SEED FOR TOMORORW. OUR KIDS AND GRAND KIDS WILL BE PROUD OF US.
Jai Hind.
Driver:
Looks like both of us logged in our comments at the same time.
So, let us please stay away from personal (subjective) responses
POINT ACCEPTED 100%.
Are you prepared to go beyond your well "exclamated" and "emoted" write-ups beyond just comments and provocations? Are you willing to lead those like Badhri, Giri (just by commenting he is showing interest), Pistu, Sriram (if he really believes in his preferred saying), Ponnarasi, me and many more who visit this blog but don't comment towards finding the ROOT that some of us find difficult to see?
GLADLY MY FRIEND. I believe that we can do some wonderful things if ONLY if we want to. But what is needed is "commaraderie"!!! SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT.
I wouldnt know if your friends share your idea though. If you are all willing, then why not?
Even if it results in getting myself KILLED BY MY OWN MAN, if I can be part of a team which did wonders like that of Gandhiji's I'm glad to do that. That's not just a PUNCH DIALOGUE!!!
Jai Hind.
OLD VERSION...
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long building his house
and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the
ant's a fool
and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm
and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the
cold.
MODERN VERSION
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house
and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant's a
fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the
shivering
grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should
be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.
NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper
next
to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with
food.
The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house.
Medha Patkar
goes on a fast along with other grasshoppers demanding that grasshoppers
be relocated to warmer climates during winter. Amnesty International and
Koffi Annan criticize the Indian Government for not upholding the
fundamental rights of the grasshopper. The Internet is flooded with online
petitions seeking support to the grasshopper (many promising Heaven and
Everlasting Peace for prompt support as against the wrath of God for
non-compliance). Opposition MP's stage a walkout.Left parties call for
"Bharat Bandh" in West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial
Enquiry.CPMin Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from
working hard in the
heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among ants and grasshoppers.
Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway
Trains, aptly named as the 'Grasshopper Rath'.
Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the Prevention of Terrorism Against
Grasshoppers Act [POTAGA]", with effect from the beginning of the winter.
Arjun Singh makes Special Reservation for Grass Hopper in educational
Insititutions & in Govt Services.
The ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and, having nothing left
to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government and
handed over to the grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV.
Arundhati Roy calls it "a triumph of justice". Lalu calls it
'Socialistic Justice'.
CPM calls it the 'revolutionary resurgence of the downtrodden' Koffi Annan
invites the grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly.
Many years later...The ant has since migrated to the US and set up a multi
billion dollar company in silicon valley.100s of grasshoppers still die of
starvation despite reservation somewhere in India ...
As a result loosing lot of hard working ants and feeding the grasshoppers
India is still a developing country...... Can any one dare to bring
India out of this clutches...
"Can any one dare to bring India out of this clutches..."
Yes, if only people encourage those who do dare.
Venkatagiri:
What are you? The ant or the grasshopper?
I would have appreciated if you had written this story yourself, but hmmm...
THINK FOR YOURSELF. Remember: THE OTHER SIDE IS ALWAYS GREEN!!!
Be BOLD TO TELL WHAT YOU WANT?! Can you? Will you dare?
Venkatagiri:
Was wondering why someone will be so "NEGATIVE" and not DARING to make a change. May be you tried something in the past and failed?!!!
Well, whatever it is, I think people like you not only NOT CONTRIBUTE to any GENUINE EFFORT, but ARE EVEN MORE DANGEROUS to MY country's growth.
I'm sure you will come to India to get "Married" to an Indian girl!!!!!
I'm sure you will come back to India if and when you have a girl and who is old enough to "ET A BOYFRIEND" and KISS HIM in front of you (or a BOY for that matter).
At that time your misconceived GRASSHOPPERS will turn to be ANGELS. I'm sure the day will come when you say "EAST OR WEST INDIA IS THE BEST" :-) (Funny how short sighted we are).
Till then please continue to enjoy satisfying your ego, and if possible stay away from discouraging acts.
Remember WHAT YOU SOW SO YOU REAP!!! So do not sow hatred and NEGATIVITY.
Good luck
Well, whatever it is, I think people like you not only NOT CONTRIBUTE to any GENUINE EFFORT, but ARE EVEN MORE DANGEROUS to MY country's growth
In my opinion your ill-conceived patriotism, half cooked historical knowledge and cinematic approach will result in wasting others time and energy.
I'm sure you will come to India to get "Married" to an Indian girl!!!!!
I already did it. So what??
I'm sure you will come back to India if and when you have a girl and who is old enough to "ET A BOYFRIEND" and KISS HIM in front of you (or a BOY for that matter).
If I have a girl child, I would try more hard to stay back than return. I would prefer my daughter to be kissed by someone whom she loves rather than getting raped in a moving car or harassed by a passersby. Your statement really shows how perverse your thoughts and I pray to God to save the country from people like you.
At that time your misconceived GRASSHOPPERS will turn to be ANGELS. I'm sure the day will come when you say "EAST OR WEST INDIA IS THE BEST" :-) (Funny how short sighted we are).
Your dreams will remain dreams because you simply don't know what you want to do and not even understand what the problem is. Stop seeing Indian cinema and think realistically.Till now I have not done anything against my county of origin and I don't really have to prove to you why what I inadvertently do to my country of origin is thousand times effective than than your barkings in this blog.
Till then please continue to enjoy satisfying your ego, and if possible stay away from discouraging acts.Remember WHAT YOU SOW SO YOU REAP!!! So do not sow hatred and NEGATIVITY
If thinking about the roots of problems are negativity and oversimplification of a issue is optimism, then you can consider me a pessimist. HOwever, I will never consider you an optinmist because I know you are an idiot.
Venkatagiri:
One thing I want you to help me out. I know you are very angry on me. Even though I can't help it, what you can do though is to possibly see if friends in this blog want me out of this blog.
My intention is not to agitate people. And if my people want me out of the blog, I'd be glad.
However, I'll continue to CONTRIBUTE to my country as for the better of the future children of our country. That no one can take away or stop.
This blog is an attempt to gather a force. It is an attempt to see if I can reach those children with the HELP of youngsters like you. By making you DO SOMETHING for your schools and help the kids to live a better life.
I think I failed in this attempt to convince you. I thought this is something that YOU CAN ALL CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY. But never the less, I'll continue my attempt.
If I'm not wanted here, passerby will be gonner by :-), but will stil be a CONTRIBUTOR!
There is no point calling each other names. That clearly was not the intent and is not in good spirit either. The possibility of Passerby and Venkatagiri coming to terms on the ideology of this post is as good as making a snake and a mongoose friends. Two people of different ideologies can never agree upon anything and the discussion, which I wanted to be a fruitful one, is just deteriorating into what the post really wanted to be eliminated - it is what every other Indian does - complain about each other. Everyone in this discussion now has a clear understanding of where the other person stands and let those who stand by the same as the other come together for a better India. If people prefer better life, better food, better courteousness and better treatment, there is nothing wrong in dreaming and working towards a better India. If we think a few stand in the way amd try to impede such dreams, we should just stand tall and face the obstacles and move on. I don't want this post to get into another "ettu suraikkai".
Driver:
It is not my intention to call any one names. I apologize to Venkatagiri if I have hurt his feelings. My intention is definitely NOT THAT.
However, my intention is to tell Venkatagiri that it is NOT RIGHT to pick an imaginary story and tell that Indians dont appreciate "Good work". Such a wonderful story which tells TOGETHER WE WIN and PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE, is used to massacare the Indian pride.
It is out of that frustration that I wrote it to make him and people like him understand that there is more than just THINKING about the problems rather to start acting.
It is RIGHT ON VENKATAGIRI's PART to tell that you should address the root cause, but that should not DETER US or STOP US from doing small things. Rather than thinking that SOMEONE SOMEDAY will do SOME MIRACLE to correct India, it is the intention to start doing SOMETHING TODAY.
Sitting outside the country and bashing the country and saying that I'm contributing by providing FOREIGN EXCHANGE is the most selfish thing and that should be CONDEMNED and I STAND TALL to CONDEMN IT.
When I visited Tharangambadi the next day of Tsunami, there were people who were STEALING JEWELES from DEAD BODIES. The act of saying I'm contributing through foreign exchange is even worse.
We send money only for our PERSONAL BENEFIT and NOT WITH AN INTENTION TO HELP THE COUNTRY IN ANY WAY. That cannot be utilized for some "POINT SCORING" over another person.
That's our problem. We think TOO MUCH OF SELF and go to the extent of LETTING THE NATION DOWN.
That I really CONDEMN.
Coming to the point, when I jumped in the post after Badhri came in, I wanted to see how WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, and I DID TELL THAT PATIENCE IS KEY and EXPECTING RESULT WITHIN A LIFETIME MAY NOT BE RIGHT!
But the topic diverted. With the last paragraph, I'd like to see if the topic can come back. Many of us turn silent when things boil. I want Badri, sriram, pistu, ponnarasi to all contribute.
Let me reiterate. The desire for me is to be part of the team which can lead me to DO SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTRY. And my dream (Which WILL COME TRUE FOR SURE) is to see that team as big as the NATION OF INDIA. Jai Hind.
It is time for me as well to come up with something concrete in this blog and summarize my position. For me India is all about my parents, relatives, friends and nighbourhood and I would be glad if I can make them happy by my contributions. Otherwise , India(as defined by its constitution and the ppl of this group) doesn't make any sense to me. I can never take pride in its pseudo-secular, unequal and shortsighted nature of law and governance nor its history and perceived glory. It is impossible for me identify with people like Passerby . I still mean what I said about him/her in my earlier post and least bothered by his/her condemnations.
Having said this, I would like to help "Driver" whom I know from my school days as a good friend. I would be really glad if his dreams come true. If he thinks I can be of help to him,I would definitely offer it . I hope Driver is a smart guy who would rather be guided by his mission than distracted by passerbys and he would take all the help that comes along his way to accopmplish his mission. I wish him good luck.
So...
Anyone here to see if they an do something for the MOTHER LAND?!!
As Badhri and Driver said, we can start to be GOOD CITIZENS and if you think we can take our actions a little further than that can we attempt?
Can we try to list out what we WANT TO DO (Not what we WANT) and see if that can be put into action?!
I'll first get away from DISTRACTIOS :-)
Giri, you spoiled the entire fun da, by explaining your sarcasm. Until then, it was awsome fun to read. I wish, I had joined the "discussion".
DNA:
I dont understand the point of being sarcastic here. Sarcasm doesn't get us anywhere. If you look at it in a funny way and it is entertaining, I am glad it was. But, the idea of this post is not mere entertainment and discussion. It is to promote discipline and responsibility that we follow in a country we migrate to in India as well. There are posts meant to make someone ROTFLMAO, but there are posts that are intended for different reasons altogether. This post was not intended for sarcasms and ROTFLMAO.
Giri:
I would be really glad if his dreams come true. If he thinks I can be of help to him,I would definitely offer it.
Exactly the kind of motivation someone like me is looking for. It took 50 posts to get there. I am glad it took that long as it gives me a perspective of what others like me think about the issues I feel needed attention.
d.n.a:
Until we start acting, the discussion is NOT over?! I agree with driver that this is not such a LIGHT discussion. I think this should continue and span generations together, we being the pioneers of such an "INITIATIVE".
But driver, may be d.n.a just thought that he cant contribute anymore as it is very old, and not as an entertainment. Unfortunately, the discussion had made it an entertainment stuff, and its a shame that I contributed to it as well.
However, like always we miss he big topic and start picking at tiny stuff. So let's don't lose the "GOAL" by the "DISRACTIONS" and lets give it a fresh leash. That's how there can be a change.
It is difficult for ADULTS to unlearn in spite of EXPERIENCING EXAMPLES (examples I need not give) it is upto such individuals who have taken it up on themselves to contribute for the future India.
That's the reason why I asked you to start in the schools. You have access to it. You CAN CONTRIBUTE sitting far away from India : for example by sending in some home-made video which can be shown in your school, to MAKE THEM REALIZE that they need BETTER INDIA, and THEY CAN WORK FOR IT.
We can create an atomosphere where they can first learn what they should be expecting and as it is happening may be figure out way by which they can achieve it.
Unless we do something nothing will happen.
So the "FUN" of the discussion is first NOT OVER as it helped us identify four sets of people - 1 who believe India is worthless, 2 who think nothing can be done and 3 who think India CAN BECOME BETTER, 4 who think THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO MAKE INDIA BETTER.
It also has helped thus far to see what we ARE TODAY with these different sets and WHICH SET WE WANT TO BE.
However, I am sure the No.4, should start doing first, which will help No.3 to follow suit very soon and which can change No. 2's ideas gradually and possibly No. 1's can either change or enjoy the benefits of 2,3 and 4.
The intention for this passerby is nothing but No. 4. That's the start, and the leaders are always FIRST in the pack.
Please continue to contribute.
Jai Hind
Thought will let you know.. there is a rule that came into effect today that all two wheelers should wear helmet in TN. 99% of them wore helmet today. As I said before, people are happy with the way things are and wont change as long as the government is not involved.
pistu:
Another statistic for you: 65% of the time statistics are MADE UP. I know people will not do anything until government intervenes. That is the mentality that needs to change. I don't understand why you still didn't get the point.
I get the point. People are happy with the way they are and I am just saying they wouldnt change unless the government intervenes. we have the mentality of why fix something when it is not broken? probably noone who commented wants India to fare poorer. I understand you want people to be self-responsible, so what is your solution to have people to be that way?..instead of arguing who is wrong or who is right, why dont you say the way you gonna make people achieve it? According to me it aint gonna happen until govt intervenes or atleast help support the cause.
pistu:
Now you are getting somewhere by asking the question of what can be done. Exactly my point from my comment on May 28th - no use pointing fingers and pointing out mistakes. A solution is needed and we all can and should start implementing the solution.
Schools in India do not educate students on healthy living, following rules and other social issues. The education in India is so constrained to math and science that real social problems are not taught. We had Moral Instruction periods at school but it was put tp bad use (at least in the case of my school). Special math classes and chemistry classes were conducted during these periods. MI periods should be better used by teachers and schools. That is a good starting point. We join NCC and Scouts, get certificates and medals and do social work as without doing those, we don't get certificates. Once we get our hands on it, we forget our duty. These exercises are meant to educate one to continue doing the good deeds but is often misinterpreted that if something good is done, one needs to get rewarded. If there is no reward, we wouldn't do anything. That is exactly what needs to be avoided, amazing how we dont forget our math and science until now but we forget all the "important" social education. We have to stand as an example. If you aren't capable of standing as an example, please don't hesitate (out of ego) to follow the footsteps of those who are willing to lead as an example.
as always schools are a good place to start, what about the illiterates?? ... I say govt, u say education. neways that still doesnt answer my question, how are u going to implement ..like what u gonna do other than blogging about it?
pistu:
Personally, I have some ideas and plans to move on this. I am also looking for advice and support from others like you. I plan to start this with my school that I grew studying in and with the folks that went to school with me. If you could do the same to your school, we have already multiplied the outreach. I am planning to send an email to my school group and gauge interest and I would be more than happy to share it with you when I get a feedback.
Again, I am not giving you "the solution" because there is no one solution. That is the purpose of a discussion - to find the optimum solution. Your ideas are welcome.
I know abt u and this is what I was trying to get out of you. now people will talk about solutions rather than just argue about it. Good luck :)...
Fantastic. There is now a small group here which is thinking of doing something. I'm sure this thread has started achieving its objective of trying to do "Something" for the country.
Driver:
My full support to you. You are the FIRST one in this blog to come and say that I've a plan. Whatever the plan be, I'll blindly support as I know YOUR INTENTIONS.
Pistu:
Thanks for your encouragement. Can I ask you one favor. Can you also suggest something that you THINK CAN BE DONE BY US?!! without the Govt. help.!!!
You seem to be more worried about the poor who are deprived of the basic education?! How about contributing to your local panchayat or corporation school?!
I can suggest something that you can do there, that we have done in other schools elsewhere, but I would like to see you take COMMAND and come up with something.
I also would encourage Badhri, Sriram, Venkatagiri, Ponnarasi, D.N.A and other silent spectators (if any) to come and put in their ideas and volunteer to the THOUGHT OF DOING SOMETHING!
I'm sure we will figure out what that SOMETHNG is (Driver seems to have a headstart!! I can't wait to hear it :-) )
Finally, one small request. Please do not take the MOMENTUM away. Everyone here (now) is trying to "DO SOMETHING" (I guess). So please dont take it away for whatever reason.
Jai Hind!
Hello Driver and all other contributers ,
It was really encouraging to see so many resposes on Democracy, it only reflects the idea that everybody wants to vision a better India.
I have spoken to some people in the US who are very eager to " do something" and contribute in some way but cant seem to find the "right way". When you finally sit down and try to help, the main focus is lost becasue of differnce in opinions. I have some insight about helping from overseas,there are two venues for people like us,
1.Contribute time for any developing projects ( managing, providing ideas etc)
2. Collecting funds.
Either by providing funds to facilitate the change or by helping physically to implement it,both are needed to cause a change.
My solution
1)to solve trashing public areas, employ people to keep a chosen area clean or rather do it ourselves, over a period of time, people will learn to throw garbage in trash cans, and stop dirtying walls.
People need some role models. Some areas in Madras are relatively cleaner, Anna Nagar has improved so much as a residential area now, besant nagar too, practice only makes it perfect. Some of us have to come forward to go an extra mile to make others understand, not by arguing but practising it.
If some one is throwing garbage outside the trash can, we can clean up some one else's mess, eventually people will get it, if we dont prefer to do it we can employ someone else to do it.
Some people dont beleive in sending money, in that case they (we) should try to help people who raise money.
2)Certain things cant be corrected or improved just by sending money, I agree. Traffic congestions and violations can only be controlled by self discipline and awareness, strict regulations. Until then we should just try to follow all the traffic rules correctly. Eventually people will learn from us.
Small things can be done with out getting verbal. Actions speak louder than voice.
For those of us who are at peace with the way we live, we atleast should quietly support by not hindering teh rest of them and respect the innumerable souls that are striving hard.
Some systems are already in place like
http://www.chennaibest.com/discoverchennai/citylifestyle/feature10.asp
so we will have to just wait!
I hope all you guys (are making)will make a difference in someone's life in India.
All the best.
c'est la vie:
We finally have one comment with "a solution". Glad to see someone break the ice by actually suggesting a solution. Thanks.
I am sure most of us discussing here agree with the ideas putforth by c'est. Let us take it one step further and try to adopt one of the two alternatives that c'est has suggested - time or money. Let each one who commented and also those who did not comment so far pick an option they find appealing to them and implement it now.
I have a couple of suggestions that I will post soon (I just want to word it right so as to not cause another flurry of "words" and no actions).
In fact, I will post my solutions as another post so everyone of us can contribute more solutions in the comments section. It does not mean that this post drops dead right here. I just want to give it a second life (a fresh one, if you will).
c'est la vie:
Thanks for your post. That's very encouraging.
That's the determiation that we want, and there are many livin in India who are ready to pledge their time and money in an effort to make the Indian Flag fly high - the place it deseres.
Driver:
Good idea to start another post. Mainly this thread has become little too big, and secondly that can be considered as the NEXT step on our efforts. Keep going.
Jai Hind
DNA:
Very encouraging to see your compliment and I thank you for it.
Sorry to learn that I spoiled your fun but if you want more fun, write a blog and send me the link ,we will start there.
Driver:
I find that the discussion boils down to cleanliness and discipline. The chennaibest.com -Onyx to be a very promising one to acheive your cleanliness part . I would suggest you to bring them to our area or start one like that. As far as you moral education goes, I sincerely feel that it is not going to work out. I am of the strong opinion thhat moral instruction must be removed from the syllabus. I don't want to see modern school burdened with more of your morals.
Venkat:
I am actually more encouraged to make better use of "Moral Instructions" periods at MSSS now that I see that they were definitely ineffective - judging by your comment.
Driver:
I think a group of us believe that WE CAN ACHIEVE things. So it is better to IGNORE those people who do not think that we can achieve anything.
There is always two sides to a coin. I think we have (unfortunately) spent enough time and energy to bring the other side together, but it is not going to happen sooner I think.
That tells very clearly that we have LOST FOCUS on what we wanted to do, even though time and again the term "Solution" came up.
There is good reason to feel that the CURRENT GENERATION (not the previous generation), is the BOTTLENECK for Indian's growth. There are so many a reasons for this. To mention a few:
* Today's generation copy Western Culture. They tend to think that they are the WHOLE and fail to realize that they are PART.
* Today's generation do not have MORAL ROLE MODELS (unlike those who had a LIVE experience of great men/women some 50-100-1000 years back. If you ask many, they would term someone who has MATERIALISTIC superiority or fame (for whatever reason except a social cause) as their role model than a Gandhi-ji or Bhagath Singh or Subramania Bharathi or Swami Vivekananda.
* Today's generation finds MORE FAULTS than GREATS in ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. Ability to be POSITIVE is lost.
* Today's generation is spoilt by too much of JUNK INFORMATION (Thanks to media like NDTV, CNNIBN, Headlines Today etc., who argue for the sake of argument, and PROVE NO POINT at the end of it). Their motive is to improve the ratings, and so that catches up with the young ones.
* Today's generation is NOT MORALLY GUIDED by schools and teachers. All the schools teach them is to make the individual BETTER over the OTHER by scoring more marks, hook or crook so you can get to a medical/engineering seat. Again their motive is NOT education but making money which catches up with the generation as well. A SEED OF SELFISHNESS SOWN IN THE HEARTS OF KIDS IN THEIR FORMATIVE YEARS. That's mainly the reason for comments which are SO NEGATIVE.
* Today's generation are SO OVER CONFIDENT and feel that THEY KNEW EVERYTHING. This they compare the WORLD in the last 20 years. So their HISTORY is very short term.
* Access to QUALITY LITERATURE, is scarce. One has to GO IN SEARCH (which is a moral value that educaitonal institutions should impart) of good things. Even about 30 years back one had access to them in ABUNDANCE. Daily/Weekly magazines published articles, stories which had a LINE OF CONFIDENCE, SOCIETAL LIVING, COURTESY, PATRIOTISM, POSITIVITY which people obviously when they are exposed to so much, tried to emulate. (Even those MGR movies are SO POSITIVE, that people always felt they should live like the character in the movie)
* And don't forget the Mccaulay's report. That's the reason for the NEGATIVITY in most of us.
It is very difficult to say which is RIGHT or which is WRONG. In truth there is NOTHING RIGHT OR NOTHING WRONG.
So if we feel that we can do things, let's go ahead. Dont you stop to even say a word. There is no time to lose.
There is a great song in one of the MGR's movies:
குள்ள நரி கூட்டம் வந்து குருக்கிடும், நல்லவர்க்கு தொல்லைதந்து மடக்கிடும்.
நீ எள்ளளவும் பயம் கொண்டு மயங்காதேடா.
So keep going on. Dont waste your time in replying. I dont want to see GOOD POSTS taking backseats.
If we continue to ignore, those posts will vanish.
That would be my last post on those distractions. I'll not post anymore on those negativity.
I'll write separately on the moral education part soon.
Finally, REMEMBER THAT NOTHING CAN HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT IS SACRIFICE FROM A FEW OF US WHICH WILL CREATE A BETTER INDIA FOR THE GENERATIONS TO COME.
If you want to see things TODAY in your street, it may not be possible (But not impossible), but I'm sure we should start sowing the seeds in the minds by PROVIDING THEM MORAL EDUCATION BY THE WAY WE LIVE AND NOT BY MERE BOOKS.
Jai Hind
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